Movimientos PES 6
Vie Nov 03, 2006 10:55 pm
[QUOTE=Trance_Allstar] With this thread I try and summarize new tricks and also some gameplay changes in PES6 from PES5.
NOTE: A similar thread was stickied before but this post strives to have an unbiased approach and more objective analysis with no unneccesary subjective opinions.
So, here we go:
1. Tricks and moves
Matthews Feint:
Basically, all you need to do is have the ball at your feet in a stationary position, then press first left and then right, or vice versa (where left and right refers to 90 degrees from the direction your player is facing). As you might have guessed, this can be done in both directions by all players it seems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK-ss9pfSxQ#
Drawback Side Extension (aka "The V-Feint"):
An elaboration of the drawback move. First stand still with the ball right in front of you. Next, hold R2 and press in the opposite direction from where you are facing. When executed, immediately release R2 and press 45 degrees forward in the direction of your players preferred foot. This will make your player first draw back the ball with his sole, and then immediately angle it forward and to the side. Seems quite useful actually. Unlike the Matthews Feint above, this move only seems to work towards the side of your players good foot. Not sure if Weak Foot Accuracy or Frequency matters, or Technique or Dribble Accuracy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7yn-ou-BY#
Stationary Stepover to Dash:
New move where you stand still with the ball close to you (important). Next, tap R2 twice for a quick stepover with the players preferred foot. Next, as soon as you have pressed R2, move the stick 45 degrees from where you are facing, and in the direction of the players preferred foot. If your player is rightfooted, move the stick 45 degrees to the right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq4ohHrPKM8
R2 Sprint modified:
Where holding R2 in PES5 meant the player would be running at a pace somewhere inbetween dashing with R1 and just dribbling as normal speed, now holding R2 makes your player dribble the ball slowly with the ball very close to his body. Perfect for drawing an opponent near and then advancing quickly and going past him. Note that only the Two-Foot Feint works from this dribble mode, I haven't been able to perform the drop shoulder when R2-Sprinting. The Two-Foot feint should work great though as the player quickly accelerates when performing it.
Elastico (aka Flip Flap):
As most know the Flip Flap animation is also updated to look a bit more authentic. Also the Flip Flap can no longer be performed when your player is stationary, which is different from PES5. You need a certain amount of speed to perform it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yw8xikxrxk
Backheel Lift Shot:
Performed with very skilled players, I know Ronaldinho can do it. With your back to the goal and standing slightly to the side (same side as your players preferred foot) as seen from the opponents goalie. Tapping the shot button produces a weak shot, whilst powering up produces a very lofted shot that easily lobs a goalie. Also, if you are very quick and press L1 juuuust before the player makes the shot (too soon and the player will turn around and perform a normal L1-lob) you will get a Backheel Lift Shot very similar in trajectory and height to a normal L1 Lob, although considering how close to goal you need to be to perform it, it is utterly useless since it will end up in the stands.
Also, further tries seem to reveal that whether or not a Heel Lift Shot is executed seems to depend on how close the goalie is to you.
Youtube video. Both the shot normally (R. Carlos), and at the end (Adriano) with L1 pressed just before the player shoots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQMUcXV4jAk
Other Noted Changes:
Drawback Turnaround removed:
It is no longer possible to perform the Drawback Turnaround move that was available in PES5, where you first use the drawback feint (R2 + Back), then release R2, and hold 135 degrees from where you are facing (meaning you hold back and to the side). This would cause the player to first drawback the ball, stop it, and then turn around on the spot and start moving 135 degrees from where you were facing.
Drop Shoulder move made easier
Performing the drop shoulder move now seems alot easier. The window of opportunity for performing the move has increased which means you no longer need split-second reactions and timing to perform it.
For those who do not know, the drop shoulder is generally performed, when running from left to right, by first letting the player kick the ball once, then as he is approaching the ball again, pressing down (in this case, 90 degrees to the right of player movement), and then moving the stick back to the direction of movement at the right time, just before the player kicks the ball forward again. The key is moving the stick back at the right time, the first stick move to the side can be timed very liberally, seemingly at any point after the players kicks the ball ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W1LQ4yZt4
R1 + L1 Tapout modified
Holding L1 and R1 simultaneously in PES5 would make the player push the ball out from his body with the outside of his boot. But it wasn't as useful as it could have been then. Now in PES6, the player not only pushes the ball a bit further, but also takes a step back and leans his body forward, and starts running to the ball. This animation sets up nicely for a shot that can pack a lot of punch, unlike PES5 where the R1 + L1 Tapout still had your player entirely stationary, making it hard to pickup any speed when running to kick the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLff1yBiU5U
Kickout When Receiving Ball removed
PES5 had a very nice move which I used alot, and that was the Kickout when receiving a pass. Basically, when receiving a pass with a stationary player, it was possible to hold R1 and a direction to make the player shove the ball quite a long distance in that direction for your player to run on. When having a fast player it was a great way of creating some space for yourself, especially if the player marking you was a little slow in responding to your sudden movement. Now in PES6, it has been removed. I have been able to do it in some angles, such as 90 degrees from where you are facing, but the players seem to be incapable of any other directions.
NOTE: I do not have any info as to how very high "Dribble Acc", "Technique" or "Weak Foot Acc/Frequency" impacts the use of certain tricks. It is possible that skilled and two-footed players can perform some of them in both directions where as it generally seems some are only performable in the direction of the players preferred foot. ALso players with poor technical skills like defenders might not be able to perform some of them. I have not investigated fully.
[SIZE="4"]2. Freekicks[/SIZE]
New Freekick Style
Firstly, there is a 10th and new freekick style animation in PES6. The player who has been gifted with that is none other than Juninho Pernambucano of Brazil and Lyon. Regarded as one of the best freekick specialists in the world, his special style of free kicks is now in the game. It consists of a fairly long runup, followed by a kick with the instep of the foot. However, this variation seems more suited for close freekicks rather than longer ones since it has a more angled approach than the usual straight one Juninho uses for longer freekicks in the real world. The thing that makes Juninho's freekicks standout from others is the fact that he usually uses his instep even from long range, and his freekicks have some of the most bizarre trajectories I have ever seen in terms of topspin and dip, and that is quite amazing coming from a almost completely straight runup, rather than an angled one such as Ronaldinho or Beckham.
Juninho Freekick in PES6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzdHA5OhaU
Just for those who are curios as to what a Juninho freekick looks like in real life, this video compilation does it justice I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaHFJDoQy6I
General Freekick Behaviour
Freekicks are quite different in feel and execution from PES5. Most notably, it seems to be alot harder to score from 25+ metres. I contribute this mainly to the goalkeepers being extremely fast in reaction and acceleration of movement. Also, Konami have now enhanced the "Move Early" function for goalkeepers found on occassion in PES5. Basically, what it means is that the goalkeeper sometimes (alot more than in PES5) will take a step torwards the unguarded corner before the freekick is struck. There seems however to be a trick to combat this. As some may know, since it isn't really a feature used alot I would guess, it is possible to fool a human player you are playing against on the same tv or computer screen, by shifting the aim of a freekick left and right using R1 and L1 after you have pressed for shot or lob. This feature also seems to work for the goalkeepers. In other words, the goalkeepers seem to be able to "guess" where you are aiming when pressing shot, so if you are aiming at the unguarded corner of the goal and shooting, the goalie will read the freekick and be more likely to take a step to that corner just before the freekick is taken.
But with the shift aim feature it seems you can fool the keeper instead. Simply by aiming at the goalies corner before taking the freekick, and then shifting the aim to what you believe to be the correct degree before the ball is struck, means that the goalie might think that you are hitting the ball to his corner, when infact you have shifted the aim. All I can say is that this method seems to reduce the number of goalie pre-movements quite a bit. And it also seems to work quite well in the other corner of the goal aswell. In other words, aiming at the unguarded corner might fool the keeper into taking a step towards it, while you shift the aim and knock the ball into the "goalie's" corner.
Furthemore, there seems to be more variation in a players accuracy when shooting freekicks. More than in PES5 a freekick will miss it's mark and they are less accurate. Also on occassion the shot will get backspin rather than topspin from a bad kick.
[SIZE="4"]3. Shooting[/SIZE]
The shooting in PES6 is very different from PES5. I would say it has been made harder. It matters alot more now where your player is facing, and the timing of the button press seems to make alot of difference whether the ball flies at goal or over the bar. If you make a directon change with your player and immediately after the foot has touched the ball and changed its direction press the shot button, there seems to be a bigger likelyhood of the ball zipping high over the bar, but if you change direction and then wait for a moment before pressing the shot button the chances are higher it will hit the goal.
Generally, it seems good to wait until the player is close to the ball before shooting. In other words, wait to press the shot button until just before the player actually gets close enough to the ball to shoot. This applies to most situations it seems, but you can still power up for a long shot where the ball is far ahead of the player and still hit the goal.
[SIZE="4"]4. Passing[/SIZE]
The general idea for passing in PES6 seems to be to slow the passes down to shape the play by making players have less space when receiving a pass since they at times will be quite alot slower than in PES5. It is important to face the player intended to receive the pass for maximum accuracy and effectiveness. The passes are also very slow at times so it is important to compensate by working actively to put your player and the recipient of the pass in a good position.
[SIZE="4"]5. Goalies[/SIZE]
Goalie physics have been mainly improved in PES6. They now don't get sudden lifts into the air when running and then jumping to the side (which would happen in PES5 when a goalie was moving towards a post to catch a ball, then when jumping they would still be able to jump up in the air quite a bit, which is very hard to do when you are moving your body mass quickly to the side, especially when sidestepping like goalies do while moving sideways). The jump should be lower and it is now.
Goalkeepers have been made alot better during freekicks. Their reflexes are incredibly fast and freekick goals come with a much lesser frequency.
The goalies have been gifted with a reworked "Move Early" function at freekicks, which means the goalies often will take a step towards the unguarded corner if they think the ball will be struck there.
I decided to upload a video of the move in the odd chance you have never experienced it before. Also notice Juninho's Freekick style which is new, and also notice the Goalkeeper's incredible reflexes and speed managing to catch that incredibly well-struck freekick by the top corner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H70FaMMl898 [/QUOTE]
Alguien lo podria traducir es que no entiendo nada de ingles[/b]
NOTE: A similar thread was stickied before but this post strives to have an unbiased approach and more objective analysis with no unneccesary subjective opinions.
So, here we go:
1. Tricks and moves
Matthews Feint:
Basically, all you need to do is have the ball at your feet in a stationary position, then press first left and then right, or vice versa (where left and right refers to 90 degrees from the direction your player is facing). As you might have guessed, this can be done in both directions by all players it seems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK-ss9pfSxQ#
Drawback Side Extension (aka "The V-Feint"):
An elaboration of the drawback move. First stand still with the ball right in front of you. Next, hold R2 and press in the opposite direction from where you are facing. When executed, immediately release R2 and press 45 degrees forward in the direction of your players preferred foot. This will make your player first draw back the ball with his sole, and then immediately angle it forward and to the side. Seems quite useful actually. Unlike the Matthews Feint above, this move only seems to work towards the side of your players good foot. Not sure if Weak Foot Accuracy or Frequency matters, or Technique or Dribble Accuracy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ7yn-ou-BY#
Stationary Stepover to Dash:
New move where you stand still with the ball close to you (important). Next, tap R2 twice for a quick stepover with the players preferred foot. Next, as soon as you have pressed R2, move the stick 45 degrees from where you are facing, and in the direction of the players preferred foot. If your player is rightfooted, move the stick 45 degrees to the right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq4ohHrPKM8
R2 Sprint modified:
Where holding R2 in PES5 meant the player would be running at a pace somewhere inbetween dashing with R1 and just dribbling as normal speed, now holding R2 makes your player dribble the ball slowly with the ball very close to his body. Perfect for drawing an opponent near and then advancing quickly and going past him. Note that only the Two-Foot Feint works from this dribble mode, I haven't been able to perform the drop shoulder when R2-Sprinting. The Two-Foot feint should work great though as the player quickly accelerates when performing it.
Elastico (aka Flip Flap):
As most know the Flip Flap animation is also updated to look a bit more authentic. Also the Flip Flap can no longer be performed when your player is stationary, which is different from PES5. You need a certain amount of speed to perform it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yw8xikxrxk
Backheel Lift Shot:
Performed with very skilled players, I know Ronaldinho can do it. With your back to the goal and standing slightly to the side (same side as your players preferred foot) as seen from the opponents goalie. Tapping the shot button produces a weak shot, whilst powering up produces a very lofted shot that easily lobs a goalie. Also, if you are very quick and press L1 juuuust before the player makes the shot (too soon and the player will turn around and perform a normal L1-lob) you will get a Backheel Lift Shot very similar in trajectory and height to a normal L1 Lob, although considering how close to goal you need to be to perform it, it is utterly useless since it will end up in the stands.
Also, further tries seem to reveal that whether or not a Heel Lift Shot is executed seems to depend on how close the goalie is to you.
Youtube video. Both the shot normally (R. Carlos), and at the end (Adriano) with L1 pressed just before the player shoots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQMUcXV4jAk
Other Noted Changes:
Drawback Turnaround removed:
It is no longer possible to perform the Drawback Turnaround move that was available in PES5, where you first use the drawback feint (R2 + Back), then release R2, and hold 135 degrees from where you are facing (meaning you hold back and to the side). This would cause the player to first drawback the ball, stop it, and then turn around on the spot and start moving 135 degrees from where you were facing.
Drop Shoulder move made easier
Performing the drop shoulder move now seems alot easier. The window of opportunity for performing the move has increased which means you no longer need split-second reactions and timing to perform it.
For those who do not know, the drop shoulder is generally performed, when running from left to right, by first letting the player kick the ball once, then as he is approaching the ball again, pressing down (in this case, 90 degrees to the right of player movement), and then moving the stick back to the direction of movement at the right time, just before the player kicks the ball forward again. The key is moving the stick back at the right time, the first stick move to the side can be timed very liberally, seemingly at any point after the players kicks the ball ahead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W1LQ4yZt4
R1 + L1 Tapout modified
Holding L1 and R1 simultaneously in PES5 would make the player push the ball out from his body with the outside of his boot. But it wasn't as useful as it could have been then. Now in PES6, the player not only pushes the ball a bit further, but also takes a step back and leans his body forward, and starts running to the ball. This animation sets up nicely for a shot that can pack a lot of punch, unlike PES5 where the R1 + L1 Tapout still had your player entirely stationary, making it hard to pickup any speed when running to kick the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLff1yBiU5U
Kickout When Receiving Ball removed
PES5 had a very nice move which I used alot, and that was the Kickout when receiving a pass. Basically, when receiving a pass with a stationary player, it was possible to hold R1 and a direction to make the player shove the ball quite a long distance in that direction for your player to run on. When having a fast player it was a great way of creating some space for yourself, especially if the player marking you was a little slow in responding to your sudden movement. Now in PES6, it has been removed. I have been able to do it in some angles, such as 90 degrees from where you are facing, but the players seem to be incapable of any other directions.
NOTE: I do not have any info as to how very high "Dribble Acc", "Technique" or "Weak Foot Acc/Frequency" impacts the use of certain tricks. It is possible that skilled and two-footed players can perform some of them in both directions where as it generally seems some are only performable in the direction of the players preferred foot. ALso players with poor technical skills like defenders might not be able to perform some of them. I have not investigated fully.
[SIZE="4"]2. Freekicks[/SIZE]
New Freekick Style
Firstly, there is a 10th and new freekick style animation in PES6. The player who has been gifted with that is none other than Juninho Pernambucano of Brazil and Lyon. Regarded as one of the best freekick specialists in the world, his special style of free kicks is now in the game. It consists of a fairly long runup, followed by a kick with the instep of the foot. However, this variation seems more suited for close freekicks rather than longer ones since it has a more angled approach than the usual straight one Juninho uses for longer freekicks in the real world. The thing that makes Juninho's freekicks standout from others is the fact that he usually uses his instep even from long range, and his freekicks have some of the most bizarre trajectories I have ever seen in terms of topspin and dip, and that is quite amazing coming from a almost completely straight runup, rather than an angled one such as Ronaldinho or Beckham.
Juninho Freekick in PES6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvzdHA5OhaU
Just for those who are curios as to what a Juninho freekick looks like in real life, this video compilation does it justice I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaHFJDoQy6I
General Freekick Behaviour
Freekicks are quite different in feel and execution from PES5. Most notably, it seems to be alot harder to score from 25+ metres. I contribute this mainly to the goalkeepers being extremely fast in reaction and acceleration of movement. Also, Konami have now enhanced the "Move Early" function for goalkeepers found on occassion in PES5. Basically, what it means is that the goalkeeper sometimes (alot more than in PES5) will take a step torwards the unguarded corner before the freekick is struck. There seems however to be a trick to combat this. As some may know, since it isn't really a feature used alot I would guess, it is possible to fool a human player you are playing against on the same tv or computer screen, by shifting the aim of a freekick left and right using R1 and L1 after you have pressed for shot or lob. This feature also seems to work for the goalkeepers. In other words, the goalkeepers seem to be able to "guess" where you are aiming when pressing shot, so if you are aiming at the unguarded corner of the goal and shooting, the goalie will read the freekick and be more likely to take a step to that corner just before the freekick is taken.
But with the shift aim feature it seems you can fool the keeper instead. Simply by aiming at the goalies corner before taking the freekick, and then shifting the aim to what you believe to be the correct degree before the ball is struck, means that the goalie might think that you are hitting the ball to his corner, when infact you have shifted the aim. All I can say is that this method seems to reduce the number of goalie pre-movements quite a bit. And it also seems to work quite well in the other corner of the goal aswell. In other words, aiming at the unguarded corner might fool the keeper into taking a step towards it, while you shift the aim and knock the ball into the "goalie's" corner.
Furthemore, there seems to be more variation in a players accuracy when shooting freekicks. More than in PES5 a freekick will miss it's mark and they are less accurate. Also on occassion the shot will get backspin rather than topspin from a bad kick.
[SIZE="4"]3. Shooting[/SIZE]
The shooting in PES6 is very different from PES5. I would say it has been made harder. It matters alot more now where your player is facing, and the timing of the button press seems to make alot of difference whether the ball flies at goal or over the bar. If you make a directon change with your player and immediately after the foot has touched the ball and changed its direction press the shot button, there seems to be a bigger likelyhood of the ball zipping high over the bar, but if you change direction and then wait for a moment before pressing the shot button the chances are higher it will hit the goal.
Generally, it seems good to wait until the player is close to the ball before shooting. In other words, wait to press the shot button until just before the player actually gets close enough to the ball to shoot. This applies to most situations it seems, but you can still power up for a long shot where the ball is far ahead of the player and still hit the goal.
[SIZE="4"]4. Passing[/SIZE]
The general idea for passing in PES6 seems to be to slow the passes down to shape the play by making players have less space when receiving a pass since they at times will be quite alot slower than in PES5. It is important to face the player intended to receive the pass for maximum accuracy and effectiveness. The passes are also very slow at times so it is important to compensate by working actively to put your player and the recipient of the pass in a good position.
[SIZE="4"]5. Goalies[/SIZE]
Goalie physics have been mainly improved in PES6. They now don't get sudden lifts into the air when running and then jumping to the side (which would happen in PES5 when a goalie was moving towards a post to catch a ball, then when jumping they would still be able to jump up in the air quite a bit, which is very hard to do when you are moving your body mass quickly to the side, especially when sidestepping like goalies do while moving sideways). The jump should be lower and it is now.
Goalkeepers have been made alot better during freekicks. Their reflexes are incredibly fast and freekick goals come with a much lesser frequency.
The goalies have been gifted with a reworked "Move Early" function at freekicks, which means the goalies often will take a step towards the unguarded corner if they think the ball will be struck there.
I decided to upload a video of the move in the odd chance you have never experienced it before. Also notice Juninho's Freekick style which is new, and also notice the Goalkeeper's incredible reflexes and speed managing to catch that incredibly well-struck freekick by the top corner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H70FaMMl898 [/QUOTE]
Alguien lo podria traducir es que no entiendo nada de ingles[/b]
Vie Nov 03, 2006 11:58 pm
por si te interesa, te indico que tengo en mente una guia a base de videos explicativos con bastantes regates (son alrededor de 40 videos) y que pronto se pondrá en las noticias de la web, a parte tb pondré un post aqui en general pc
Sab Nov 04, 2006 1:08 am
Buen post, una pena que esté inglés 
He intentado hacer lo del Matthew y nada... no me sale, en realidad no lo entiendo bien, a ver si lo consigo porque me han dicho que mola, los demás son mas o menos fáciles xD
Gracias por la guia
Un saludo
He intentado hacer lo del Matthew y nada... no me sale, en realidad no lo entiendo bien, a ver si lo consigo porque me han dicho que mola, los demás son mas o menos fáciles xD
Gracias por la guia
Un saludo
Sab Nov 04, 2006 2:27 am
silverdragon escribió:por si te interesa, te indico que tengo en mente una guia a base de videos explicativos con bastantes regates (son alrededor de 40 videos) y que pronto se pondrá en las noticias de la web, a parte tb pondré un post aqui en general pc
GRoso lo espero con ganas. Igual probe alguno y salieron, falta mas practica.
Sab Nov 04, 2006 2:39 am
Yo el q kiero aprender, es el de amaga pa un lado y se va pal otro, lo hize con joe cole en el winning una vez y otra vez en el pro 6 contra amigos pero no me a salido mas... se q es stando parado algo de pa un lado y pal contrario pero no me sale :S
Sab Nov 04, 2006 10:03 pm
allguien sabe como se acen los pases de cuchara????por que la makina me ace muxismos pases asin de cuchara estan al borde del aera y la elevan por ecima de mis defensas para su comp<ñero!!Yo e practicado pero nada de nada.pense que podrias ser con el r2+el centro pero queva si alguien lo supiera...un saludo socios!!!
Sab Nov 04, 2006 10:32 pm
TUAN escribió:allguien sabe como se acen los pases de cuchara????por que la makina me ace muxismos pases asin de cuchara estan al borde del aera y la elevan por ecima de mis defensas para su comp<ñero!!Yo e practicado pero nada de nada.pense que podrias ser con el r2+el centro pero queva si alguien lo supiera...un saludo socios!!!
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Sab Nov 04, 2006 11:17 pm
RoMaN-10- escribió:silverdragon escribió:por si te interesa, te indico que tengo en mente una guia a base de videos explicativos con bastantes regates (son alrededor de 40 videos) y que pronto se pondrá en las noticias de la web, a parte tb pondré un post aqui en general pc
GRoso lo espero con ganas. Igual probe alguno y salieron, falta mas practica.
Lo de la guia, si todo va bien, el lunes se empezarán los cambios de servidor de la web, y casi seguro que se pondrá cuando la web esté disponible de nuevo.
Dom Nov 05, 2006 7:43 am
LerToS escribió:Buen post, una pena que esté inglés
He intentado hacer lo del Matthew y nada... no me sale, en realidad no lo entiendo bien, a ver si lo consigo porque me han dicho que mola, los demás son mas o menos fáciles xD
Gracias por la guia
Un saludo
te explico no se si ya te salio
tenes que estar quieto, para que t salga facil te diria que estes mirando al
arco, t quedas quieto y haces rapido, abajo arriba, y sale, si no t sale ha-
celo mas rapido, y si estas en un lateral mirando hacia el area seria,
izquierda derecha, no importa el orden o sea arriba abajo o abajo arriba
es lo mismo cambia la pierna nomas, fijate que si estas torzido es con
diagonales.
espero que puedas entender como lo explique.
suerte
Dom Nov 05, 2006 1:13 pm
Vale ya me salió, es que yo lo hacia muy lento... no se por que no pensé que había que hacerlo rápido xD
De todas formas me parecen regates inútiles hasta que no los dominas, que lo hagas todo ya automático porque si no... ya lo iré practicando xD
Gracias blinkero
De todas formas me parecen regates inútiles hasta que no los dominas, que lo hagas todo ya automático porque si no... ya lo iré practicando xD
Gracias blinkero