Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mar Dic 29, 2009 11:40 am
_Denilson escribió:d666 escribió:probaron el patch oficial 1.03 mejora mucho el juego, hay que calcular las valores de nuevo porque los jugadores responden mucho mejor y tiene mejor control de regate.Es como que si no escucharon o probaron las nuestras modificaciones los de konami jeje.
hay modificaciones que ya no va a ser necesarias, como agility, response, dribble accuracy, en cambio hay que retocar algunas cositas, mejor así ahora nos podemos enfocar en menos detalles.
10 puntos para konami
Eres la primera persona que he oido decir que mejora la jugabilidad ese parche...
+1
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mar Dic 29, 2009 12:08 pm
d666 escribió:para que esto siga progresando le dejo la imagen y archivo en word para que todos los puedan usar y sea mas comprensible para los nuevos, si le hacen cambios seria bueno colorear la celda en rojo y empesar a ponerles versiones a cada modificación sino es terrible lio.
ARCHIVO WORD http://www.mediafire.com/?gtnzdynhkbt
Una cosita, donde pone SÓLO =, no hay que hacer nada no?¿
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mar Dic 29, 2009 4:19 pm
estas muy equivocado hay mucha confusion porque salio un DLC y un PATCH al mismo tiempo y la gente piensa que al hacer el dlc es el patch. Hay que instalar el patch 1.03 y aparte de eso el crack version 1.03 sino es lo mismo.
No solo que el juego cambia mucho sino que mejora un poco los arbitros
The new patch v1.03 has certainly improved the game. It has improved to such an extent that it feels like the perfect game. I'm not talking about the balls and boots. I'm referring to the gameplay. The biggest changes to gameplay after the v1.03 patch are (i) gamespeed (ii) dribbling (iii) passing (iv) goalkeepers and (v) referees.
(i) Gamespeed: It is certainly slower than before. With every patch, the game speed has been coming down, which is very good. Overall, the pace of the game is very very realistic. It feels more like football than a video game now.
(ii) Dribbling: Now the dribbling animations are smoother. The jerky movements are very very less now. The dribbling speed has also been reduced. Only yesterday, I could sprint from the right defending corner to right attacking corner with someone like Bosingwa in a flash. After the update, even with Lennon, though I could see he is one of the paciest players, I take more time to cover the pitch. The dribbling animations and speed are just about perfect now.
(iii) Passing: The short passing speed has been lowered. Earlier, the so-called 'ping-pong' existed for any player with a passing ability of more than 75 points. Now, only players with above 90 points short passing speed ability pass the ball at these speeds. The short passing speed of anyone (most of the players) who have a short passing speed of less than 90, is now very realistic. Only now, even in top matches like Chelsea vs Man Utd, you can see the ball receiver waiting for the ball to reach him before he makes his move. Earlier the ball used to zip across the pitch. Now it's very realistic. I also feel that the passing is lot more freer than it was before. The variety of attacking moves I'm able to make now are a testimony to this.
(iv) Goalkeepers: Improvement in goalkeepers. No more silly parries. They keep very well. They parry it when they have to. Basically, I think they now play true to their goalkeeping player abilities.
(v) Referees: They are certainly stricter. More fouls are being called. More penalties are given. They can still go wrong either ways but they can be error-prone but not scandalous as they were before.
What still needs to happen? The defenders, especially the side backs have to be lot more sharper and ruthless. They need to read the game better and anticipate attacking moves. They need to tackle more frequently and throw their bodies when it matters. Also, some of the stadiums I find unplayable due to the pitch graphics or lighting. Rest are fine with me.
For me, Winning Eleven 2010 was already a revelation and it is way better than PES 2010. With this patch, this game has got so much better. I'm loving it. This is not out of imagination, exaggeration or placebo effect. I have experienced all those things mentioned above. And, I'm writing this after playing several offline games. Having spent more than 20-30 hours in editing and testing alone, I can certainly see the difference when it's there.
We have got closer to a very perfect football game.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=75660
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No solo que el juego cambia mucho sino que mejora un poco los arbitros
The new patch v1.03 has certainly improved the game. It has improved to such an extent that it feels like the perfect game. I'm not talking about the balls and boots. I'm referring to the gameplay. The biggest changes to gameplay after the v1.03 patch are (i) gamespeed (ii) dribbling (iii) passing (iv) goalkeepers and (v) referees.
(i) Gamespeed: It is certainly slower than before. With every patch, the game speed has been coming down, which is very good. Overall, the pace of the game is very very realistic. It feels more like football than a video game now.
(ii) Dribbling: Now the dribbling animations are smoother. The jerky movements are very very less now. The dribbling speed has also been reduced. Only yesterday, I could sprint from the right defending corner to right attacking corner with someone like Bosingwa in a flash. After the update, even with Lennon, though I could see he is one of the paciest players, I take more time to cover the pitch. The dribbling animations and speed are just about perfect now.
(iii) Passing: The short passing speed has been lowered. Earlier, the so-called 'ping-pong' existed for any player with a passing ability of more than 75 points. Now, only players with above 90 points short passing speed ability pass the ball at these speeds. The short passing speed of anyone (most of the players) who have a short passing speed of less than 90, is now very realistic. Only now, even in top matches like Chelsea vs Man Utd, you can see the ball receiver waiting for the ball to reach him before he makes his move. Earlier the ball used to zip across the pitch. Now it's very realistic. I also feel that the passing is lot more freer than it was before. The variety of attacking moves I'm able to make now are a testimony to this.
(iv) Goalkeepers: Improvement in goalkeepers. No more silly parries. They keep very well. They parry it when they have to. Basically, I think they now play true to their goalkeeping player abilities.
(v) Referees: They are certainly stricter. More fouls are being called. More penalties are given. They can still go wrong either ways but they can be error-prone but not scandalous as they were before.
What still needs to happen? The defenders, especially the side backs have to be lot more sharper and ruthless. They need to read the game better and anticipate attacking moves. They need to tackle more frequently and throw their bodies when it matters. Also, some of the stadiums I find unplayable due to the pitch graphics or lighting. Rest are fine with me.
For me, Winning Eleven 2010 was already a revelation and it is way better than PES 2010. With this patch, this game has got so much better. I'm loving it. This is not out of imagination, exaggeration or placebo effect. I have experienced all those things mentioned above. And, I'm writing this after playing several offline games. Having spent more than 20-30 hours in editing and testing alone, I can certainly see the difference when it's there.
We have got closer to a very perfect football game.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=75660
Fijate en este foro y mas de 50 personas habalan lo que estoy diciendo
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mar Dic 29, 2009 10:08 pm
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 1:04 am
Eh ingles 0 yo. a ver que me fijo en el traductor 
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 1:13 am
por suerte entiendo.... esta bueno lo q dicen sobre los referees-arbitros ..Salu2
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 5:12 am
He notado prácticamente todo eso... menos lo de los árbitros. Me fijaré un poco más... 
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 7:12 am
neckripper escribió:He notado prácticamente todo eso... menos lo de los árbitros. Me fijaré un poco más...
los árbitros es lo que menos se nota pero lo otro a cambiado mucho, reacción, pases, dribble, y lo mas importante cambio entre jugadores es mucho mas rápido y hace que la IA haga menos cosas automáticas sobre todo en los corners para defender mejor que hayan menos goles de cabesa, la cámara de jugador también mejoro ,los movimientos se notan mas fluidos
No entiendo como Konami no hace publico estos cambios aunque ya es una política, porque en ningún pro dijeron nunca nada sobre cambios en gameplay, cuando mejoraban mucho el juego, parece que le diera miedo reconocer todos los errores.
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 9:43 am
d666 escribió:neckripper escribió:He notado prácticamente todo eso... menos lo de los árbitros. Me fijaré un poco más...
los árbitros es lo que menos se nota pero lo otro a cambiado mucho, reacción, pases, dribble, y lo mas importante cambio entre jugadores es mucho mas rápido y hace que la IA haga menos cosas automáticas sobre todo en los corners para defender mejor que hayan menos goles de cabesa, la cámara de jugador también mejoro ,los movimientos se notan mas fluidos
No entiendo como Konami no hace publico estos cambios aunque ya es una política, porque en ningún pro dijeron nunca nada sobre cambios en gameplay, cuando mejoraban mucho el juego, parece que le diera miedo reconocer todos los errores.
+1
Es que a Konami no le Gusta Reconozer Sus Errores.
Re: Formula para un juego mucho mas realista
Mié Dic 30, 2009 12:13 pm
Me puedes explicar esto:
"estas muy equivocado hay mucha confusion porque salio un DLC y un PATCH al mismo tiempo y la gente piensa que al hacer el dlc es el patch. Hay que instalar el patch 1.03 y aparte de eso el crack version 1.03 sino es lo mismo"
el crack 1.03...es para jugar sin dvd que yo sepa, y el que lo tiene original que? ahi no hace falta crack. Ademas hay miles de personas que lo han probado en ps3 y no han dicho nada....no sé si fuera tan evidente se habría corrido mas la voz. Me gustaria probarlo, pero creo que aun no hay parches compatibles con la 1.03
"estas muy equivocado hay mucha confusion porque salio un DLC y un PATCH al mismo tiempo y la gente piensa que al hacer el dlc es el patch. Hay que instalar el patch 1.03 y aparte de eso el crack version 1.03 sino es lo mismo"
el crack 1.03...es para jugar sin dvd que yo sepa, y el que lo tiene original que? ahi no hace falta crack. Ademas hay miles de personas que lo han probado en ps3 y no han dicho nada....no sé si fuera tan evidente se habría corrido mas la voz. Me gustaria probarlo, pero creo que aun no hay parches compatibles con la 1.03